takahiroki: its all just very sad in that mild sick sort of way, i mean its bad enough that these girls are selling their bodies, but to then waste that money on men who only pay attention to them for their own benefit? i mean they could save that money and quit, one of them said she would if she had the money to pay for the hosts, and while the male hosts do seem to show slight guilt over the whole thing, and they do care about some of them and try to keep them from going to far, other times they are doing things like that, forcing them to drink etc. and that’s awful, and unfortunately seems to be typical of many men even when not being paid.. to get girls to drink and thus they will be more susecptible to what you want from them, its terrible, really terrible, i wish that all the girls would save their money and quit being prostitutes and get real jobs and stop seeing the male hosts and ughhhh, seriously itd be fun like once in a lifetime but the way they get addicted.. i get that they want to talk to guys that don’t judge them etc. but if they feel guilty they should quit their jobs or at least find guys that will understand without having to be paid ]: That one girl that left her fiance etc. who even said she’d die for him.. she’s the worst really, she is so serious, so intense, so delusional, and meanwhile Issei talks about how strange she is and that she pisses him off… She’s ruining her life ]:
oh gosh, that is a really good point, how terrible it is when people do force drugs onto others for their own gain… it is a bit frustrating to see them do this to themselves, but like any addiction, they need help from other people to quit it and from what I remember, the girls who go tend to go with their friends.. and then again from the girls’ own work environment, they probably wouldn’t think of the consequences to turn out badly… but yes, that girl is incredibly delusional, almost stalker-like? their relationship is the worst because their feelings do not connect At All… I hope she’s not now in some kind of bad situation now… I wonder what happened to her ; ; I can’t remember all of the details of the documentary; I watched it a few months ago? so I can’t touch on everything as closely as you’re following now, but yeah, I do remember that some guys felt some sort of guilt… honestly I don’t know how I could take a job like that, knowing that my goal was for people to fall in love with me and get on a personal connection with them, only to literally have/be told to turn them all down… though I guess it’s all on personal morals / _ \ they probably think that since the girls know what the boundaries are, it wouldn’t be their fault if they get hurt… ehh. balehkhg lol there are probably two fairly strong arguments for both sides…
takahiroki: exactly! I think it must be very much like the idol/fan relationship, i mean think of all the products idols have.. multiple versions of CDs, singles all these things you really don’t need but you think you have to have it all because you know it’s theirs? and I imagine its even more addicting because its real people, physically around you, touching you, talking to you etc. but it is sad that is seems to consume these girls lives [i didnt get there yet, but I can imagine it must turn out badly for her I mean how could it not? :/ and how does she not understand when shes a call girl herself???] they spend SO MUCH money, like holy shit how do they even have that much? To be honest, it looks like a ton of fun, and just for ‘shits & giggles’ I wouldn’t mind going once just to see the atmosphere, but the fact that these girls do it like literally EVERY NIGHT and begin to think that they need to compete for the males attention even though they will get it regardless because they are paying.. and to think they will marry them etc… I can’t imagine how much it destroys their outside lives where they could be hanging out with people who actually like them and not wasting their life savings.. it is sad :/ and then like you said they turn around and do it themselves as call girls and they still don’t understand that they will never be with the male hosts? It’s crazy.. It’s like they make money from working at a cabaret lounge and then they go spend it all on male hosts, I wonder do the male hosts go to the lounges and pay girls? Something tells me they don’t :/
mm, I could totally see how one could get super attached to them, and it does look like it would be a fun thing to do maybe once or twice in a lifetime personally… I think the girls admitting how fake the relationship is themselves and knowing that it’s a business but yet still allow themselves to throw their money at these boys… I think that they have personal insecurity issues that makes them not realize that they could find someone as good or better for them outside for free… That sounds sort of mean to think, though / _ \ …I’m sure they do have legitimate feelings for these guys, but then the hosts probably talk shit behind some of these girls’ backs… and then them basically forcing them to chug pints of beer? when I saw that, I was seriously disturbed because then it reinforced the fact that in the end it is a business and it all comes down to how much they make every night… I sort of doubt that many attractive, fresh, young men go to lounges to begin with, so I agree that it seems unlikely that male hosts would need to go to lounges for a girl. the whole situation is pretty .. upsetting / ___ \
takahiroki: omg i mean its kind of what i expected but its actually sort of sad, i mean damn these girls are seriously delusional thinking they could marry one of them one day, like one girl left her fiance?? but if I think about it, they are literally like idols, like you know there are 30942809234 other girls but you still hope anyway? and obviously if a fangirl could pay $12 an hour to hang out with an idol, ITD BE DONE IN A SECOND. and obviously they have a lot of fun, but its kind of sad how girls seem to have like their entire lives dedicated to them, like awh please wake up and find a real man and stop spending your money D: and also that one girl who they interview who goes there and has light brown hair and a white top is like SO PRETTY, like omg girl I’m sure you have tons of guys you could date leaveeeee that placeeeeee
yes, agreed on all terms ;;; it was really sad, especially the way it turns out for that girl who left her fiance and reserves that vip booth… and I don’t know if you got this far (sorry for spoiling a bit if you didn’t), but it’s even more sad, I think, when you see that many of the girls are from hostess clubs themselves… it’s like a cycle of fake relationships and probably more often than not, a bad investment u_u it is really messed up, but I suppose it is a lot like being attached to an idol? sometimes I spend my money when I don’t personally need to, for the reason that my bias will benefit and I too maybe in the long run somehow…. but blehg ;; ;; they just.. should not spend literally all of their money on men paid to be nice to you…
When was super depressed, I wasn’t working—I was always too depressed. Hemingway did his best work when he didn’t drink, then he drank himself to death and blew his head off with a shotgun. Someone asked John Cheever, “What’d you learn from Hemingway?” and he said “I learned not to blow my head off with a shotgun.” I remember going to the Michigan poetry festival, meeting Etheridge Knight there and Robert Creeley. Creeley was so drunk—he was reading and he only had one eye, of course, and had to hold his book like two inches from his face using his one good eye. But you look at somebody like George Saunders—I think he’s the best short story writer in English alive—that’s somebody who tries very hard to live a sane, alert life.
You’re present when you’re not drinking a fifth of Jack Daniel’s every day. It’s probably better for your writing career, you know? I think being tortured as a virtue is a kind of antiquated sense of what it is to be an artist."
In an interview with The Fix, Mary Karr debunks the toxic mythology that it is necessary to be damaged in order to be creative. My own vehement defiance to that mythology is what led me to choose Ray Bradbury – the ultimate epitome of creating from joy rather than suffering – as the subject of my contribution to The New York Times’ The Lives They Lived.
Pair with Karr on why writers write.